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發表於 2011-8-21 02:11:41 | 顯示全部樓層
Ah... How could I miss him. Yes, he is a good one too.
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發表於 2011-8-21 03:46:37 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 Juwan5 於 2011-8-21 03:47 編輯

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You can say Cuban is a great owner.

I personally think he is not. Look at how he treated Steve Nash and Michael Finley. If the Mavs didn't win this year's Championship, I think he would regretted by letting go of Steve Nash.
In my perspective, Peter Holt is really a great owner. Peter Holt is the owner of San Antonio Spurs.
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-8-21 09:27:31 | 顯示全部樓層
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I have to respectfully disagree with you on Cuban there.

Sorry, he didn't re-sign Nash in the summer of 2004, because he thought Nash couldn't play more than 3-4 more seasons. In fact, he did offer him 4-year deal, but Nash wanted a longer one. Plus, if you recall back in the day, the general feeling was that Nash was going to slow down no matter what. No one, I mean honestly NO ONE see 2 MVP seasons in a row were coming! Yeah, Cuban might have under-estimated Nash's ablility a little. Hell, even he admits he made a mistake there. And since then he is NEVER shy from signing guys or taking chances on guys, look at Chandler, Marion, Haywood, Stevenson etc., almost no one else wanted any of them when the Mavs traded for or signed them. So to call him a bad owner for that? That's a bit much.

As for Peter Holt, he has always been a very low key owner. I would say he hires GREAT management in Buford and Pop, and he trusts their vision completely! Of course, I must also stress the Spurs got lucky in landing that certain #1 overall pick in 1997 too.
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發表於 2011-8-21 11:41:10 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 天界王 於 2011-8-21 11:47 編輯

Peter Holt and Mark Cuban ,both are great owner,but if I choose one from two,I will prefer Peter Holt.Why ?

Identified the better owners. The method was not scientific but based on numerous factors, some of which are indisputable and some of which are intangible. Among the criteria used to evaluate owners was the willingness to spend money to improve the team; the stability and capabilities of the front office and management; the amenities at the team's venue; and the club's culture and interactivity with fans. Of course, weighing heavily in the decision was the team's success or failure on the field.

The owner of San Antonio Spurs : Peter Holt
No NBA owner has done more with less. Holt maintains a fiscally responsible franchise that keeps its payroll in the middle of the pack with a cast of team-first, contract-second style players, led by an unwavering coach in Gregg Popovich. The Spurs zeitgeist is one that values hard work, sacrifice and lack of ego, and everyone in the organization has bought into it, thanks in no small part to the cues of steady-as-a-rock franchise cornerstone Tim Duncan. Holt is also one of the few NBA owners who are extremely respected in their communities as the consummate class act. The result is a team that has won four championships and has made the playoffs in 15 years of Holt's 16 as owner. In June 1999, Holt joined with hundreds of thousands of Spurs faithful in celebrating the team’s first NBA Championship. Holt's Spurs secured three more championships in 2003, 2005, and 2007. He is one of the few owners in the league that has not gone over the luxury tax threshold to secure needed talent.
Four NBA Championships (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007)

The owner of the Dallas Mavericks : Mark Cuban
Cuban rubs plenty of people the wrong way with his outspokenness and need to be the center of attention. But then you realize, if you suddenly struck it rich and bought your own NBA team, you'd probably be as giddy and fun-loving as he is. The dot-com billionaire has never been shy with his checkbook, gladly paying over the luxury tax to keep the Mavs competitive -- and for the luxury of letting his own mouth flap despite countless fines for criticizing officials. He tends to put his foot in his mouth (his comment to Kenyon Martin's mother that her son was a thug after Game 3 of the Mavs-Nuggets playoff series was deplorable), but he's a player's owner as much as he is a fan's owner and has generally been a breath of fresh air.
On January 4, 2000, Cuban purchased a majority stake in the NBA's Dallas Mavericks for $285 million from H. Ross Perot, Jr..
In the 20 years before Cuban bought the team, the Mavs had a winning percentage of 40%, and playoff record of 21–32. In the ten years following, the team won 69% of their regular season games and reached the playoffs in each of those seasons. The Mavs playoff record with Cuban is 49 wins and 57 losses, including their first trip to the NBA Finals in 2006, where they lost to the Miami Heat. On June 12, 2011, the Dallas Mavericks defeated the Miami Heat to win the NBA Finals. Historically, NBA team owners publicly play more passive roles and watch basketball games from skyboxes; Cuban sits alongside fans while donning team jerseys. Cuban flies his private Gulfstream V to attend road games.
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發表於 2011-8-21 12:57:36 | 顯示全部樓層
HighlanderZ師兄, 其實大致上我認同你。Including Steve Nash aging and having Shawn Marion, and DeShawn Stevenson。
無錯無人估到Nash過檔後即變兩屆MVP。當時我睇好KG同AI再下一城攞多一次MVP, Nash成為MVP係有少少意料之外。
Afterward, reading Nash's track record proves that I was wrong and he deserved to be MVP. Not only turning the franchise to a contender. He really single handily makes Phoenix fun to watch. I really don't expect he could pull this stats out from his Mavericks days.

Back to Cuban, whatever he did at courtside or off the court incident is another topic.
Why Cuban not a great owner. Just take a look at Michael Finley.
Call me bias if you want. 作為一個好球員能為球隊打江山, 到成名後因球員薪金過高而被炒。
That's very cold to a player, isn't it? I am glad Finley got a ring after he left Mavs.
Eventhough it is part of the business when getting rid of Finley.
Should Cuban make a better decision rather than a mess, he would have save his image.
衰少少講, Cuban 俾我感覺係打完齋唔要和尚
以上係個人立場, 純廢up, 如不喜勿小
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-8-21 22:39:01 | 顯示全部樓層
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Good post, and you get no argument from me on Holt there. Like I've mentioned earlier, people must also credit both Buford and Popovich for managing the team; and drafting the right talents people never heard of. Case in point, Manu and then Parker. One was the 57th overall pick, and the other was the second to the final first round pick.

Having said that, the second half of your post also expressed how much Cuban had transformed the Mavs from a laughing stock to the newly crowded NBA champs. I went college in the south, and my then cable carrier only got Mavs games on other than the nationally televised games. Back in that time (mid to late 90's) the Mavs were so terrible you would've considered them playing 'pretty well' if they only lost by 10pts or less! So bad, my friends and I would go to one of those games, and hardly anyone was there! We paid for a $5 ticket, and virtually no one would stop you from getting close to the front of the upper level, cuz there were barely anyone there!

To me, it doesn't matter how Cuban travel on the road, not that many owners even attend his own team's home game for crying out loud. What I like about Cuban the most is he himself is a sports fan like us all! And he does care for the team and the sports (NBA) in general. Not too many other owners can claim that.
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-8-21 22:44:13 | 顯示全部樓層
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Nah, I never felt Cuban treated Finley badly at all, nor he was 打完齋唔要和尚. You have to remember in 2005 the league was cracking down on luxury taxes, and enforcing it in the process. And per the collective bargain agreements, all teams are entitled a one-time only writting a contract OFF their book!

Finley was owed USD 52M at that time, and with his health at the time he was reduced to a mere backup SG. Trust me, it was a hard decision for Cuban to make, but it wasn't like Finley was 'fired', he was paid that full amount AND became a FA to sign with the Spurs! If anything at all, this was a business decision... and sadly it involved Finley.
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發表於 2011-8-22 01:51:41 | 顯示全部樓層
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On the basis of intangible factors, Mark Cuban really has a passion for their team.
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發表於 2011-8-22 08:34:14 | 顯示全部樓層
did anyone play NBA fantasy game on ESPN, I did and looking to play again this year. If anyone interested, maybe we can create a league, cool?
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-8-22 23:12:45 | 顯示全部樓層
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Let's just say I am not against it... let's hope we have a season first.
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-8-22 23:13:18 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 HighlanderZ 於 2011-8-22 23:13 編輯

Hey guys, want some NBA basketball... even during lock out?

Check out NBA Madness 2011! Not only you will see the Memphis Grizzlies dance team performing, Dominique Wilkins will be there as special guest!
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發表於 2011-8-28 11:31:11 | 顯示全部樓層
NLRB decision expected next week in lockout case
"Sports Illustrated’s Zach Lowe reports that the NBPA’s charge of unfair labor practices and failure to negotiate in good faith has “finished investigation into (the) union’s complaint.” Final briefs are expected next week.
The odds of a different result than the NFL garnered are pretty small, but the effect would be devastating for the owners… for about thirty seconds before they appeal and this thing enters legal purgatory. The owners can’t lose this fight, so they’d have to keep appealing, which would be costly. Then again, they’ve literally stopped their business, so what’s a few more million on top of it?
Meanwhile, everything continues according to plan, with both sides following the same playbook legally they were expected to. And that’s really been part of the issue. Both sides continue to follow the playbook line by line with no deviation. If there’s going to be a season, something’s going to have to deviate from the expected pattern, otherwise both sides are just charging headlong into losing the entire year.
The swiftness and decisiveness of the decision may give us some insight into how organized the Union is at this point."
I read the article above from a ProBasketball Talk.
Any c~hing has any insight or comment can share?
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發表於 2011-8-28 17:14:25 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 wgr 於 2011-8-28 17:14 編輯

Cuban is a willing(not afraid to spend money) owner, i won'g rate him as a great (1 title mean nothing) owner just yet.....
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發表於 2011-8-30 02:49:05 | 顯示全部樓層
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Eventhough I have my point of views for this whole bargaining talks. It is completely pointless to point out what went wrong. like I have mentioned previously, both players and owners have their difficulties. Main point is: to finalized all points and get the season started. Otherwise they are hurting themselves.
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發表於 2011-8-30 08:41:55 | 顯示全部樓層
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Eventhough I have my point of views for this whole bargaining talks. It is ...


'Main point is: to finalized all points and get the season started. Otherwise they are hurting themselves."
Exactly...  It took them long enough to regain the popularity after the last lock out.  
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-9-13 09:24:11 | 顯示全部樓層
Been away for a week, and then my computer went dead... now I am back!

Both the NBA and the NBAPA are meeting again on Tuesday and Wednesday this week with a larger committee from both sides. While I don't think a deal is imminent, I think we are going to have a season in the end; and possibly without losing games!
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發表於 2011-10-8 06:53:08 | 顯示全部樓層
Players, league can't agree on Monday meeting
The National Basketball Players Association requested a meeting with league negotiators for Monday before the first two weeks of the regular season are canceled and could not agree with NBA officials on the parameters, a union source told CBSSports.com.

NBA officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the information released by the union, which is now planning regional meetings Saturday in Miami -- in conjunction with the All-Star exhibition game involving LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and other stars -- and Monday in Los Angeles. NBPA executive director Billy Hunter is expected to fly to the West Coast Sunday.

According to the union source, the league would agree to a meeting Monday -- the deadline set by commissioner David Stern for canceling the first two weeks of regular season games -- only if the players agreed beforehand to accept the NBA's offer of a 50-50 revenue split. The union declined, the source said, believing it could not negotiate a fair deal for the players if it gave up the right to negotiate before the meeting even began.

This latest round of posturing comes as negotiations reach the potential home stretch after the sides trimmed $1.6 billion off the gap between them Tuesday but couldn't agree on the final number on the split of the league's $4 billion in revenues. When the two sides walked away Tuesday, the league had put an offer of 49-51 percent for the players, and the players had responded with a 51-53 percent band.
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 樓主| 發表於 2011-10-9 15:22:11 | 顯示全部樓層
As much as I want a complete 82-game season, I just don't think it is going to happen at this point. Both sides are still playing the number game, and can't even agree upon anything more or less like a 50-50 split (not counting incentive). We will see how this goes, but a shorten season like in 1999 will most likely happen, if the season is not cancelled altogether.
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發表於 2011-10-10 10:18:04 | 顯示全部樓層
I am actually would be happy if there is more than half the season this year...  
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發表於 2011-10-11 10:38:02 | 顯示全部樓層
Well, the first two weeks of the regular season is a goner...  

NBA cancels first two weeks of season after talks stall out
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