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ykkenmendd

dswhkg 發表於 2011-9-7 23:11
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I have different feeling on this tropic.

也許你是一個sales吧

dswhkg

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not exactly, my path:
programmer --> system analyst --> sales --> system analyst/Sales Engineer

if the requirements are well defined by the system analyst, then programming job become easy and effective.

dswhkg

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"客人要求永遠都冇可能滿足到" exactly

the keywords I mentioned is "by imagination“ and "customer requirement changes".

The first step have to make the imagination becomes reality, i.e. turn a business requirement into a working model that can fit into computer.

The second point is to control and educate clients: let them know my model is the "best practice" and changes is harmful to the project

ykkenmendd

dswhkg 發表於 2011-9-8 13:42
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not exactly, my path:

既然你經過整個流程, ching可出此言"Programming is always the easy part"

ykkenmendd

dswhkg 發表於 2011-9-8 13:45
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"客人要求永遠都冇可能滿足到" exactly

ching 有沒聽過win the argue than loss something 客人不是沒思想的, 怎教育?

dswhkg

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actually if the customer is clever, then no problem at all. I just afraid those no-brains!!

First, I'm not said "I'm super and everyone should follow me". What I say is the discussion and any idea, any request must be fixed & agree before the programming start.

Collect the customer requirements, define the operating model, customer agree, then start programming.
In the model definition, I will correct/change/reject the customer requirements if I think it is not a good practice. I will tell the reasons, and most of the they follow my idea. If they insist, I will either withdraw the project or require them to sign a document to prove it is their own idea.

Once sign the contract and start programming, sorry, no more changes. The project will probably die if keep on changing.

Yes, sometime the customers may be unhappy. But the project high successful rate tell everything, and they usually come back to me, or refer more customers to me

Have to say NO when they are wrong!

dswhkg

煩惱 發表於 2011-9-8 14:04
" The 2nd point " 好難 ... 要好有知名度同經驗先可以做到 ...

it is very difficult, indeed. That's why i said the programming job is easier.

but if you don't control the requirements well, even the smartest programmer will fail!

ykkenmendd

dswhkg 發表於 2011-9-8 14:55
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actually if the customer is clever, then no problem at all. I just afraid th ...

看看這個
http://141hongkong.com/forum/thread-811590-1-1.html 震撼非常

dswhkg

煩惱 發表於 2011-9-8 14:04
" The 2nd point " 好難 ... 要好有知名度同經驗先可以做到 ...

Also, except you need good knowledge and skill on the business process, you also need to handle PEOPLE, usually the most complicated factor....

who is the decision maker? who want to spoil the project? whose requirements can be suppress & who cannot? Is that programming feature too expensive (over budget), so that I have to discourage them not to go ahead? .......

dswhkg

煩惱 發表於 2011-9-8 15:29
客同 budget ... 都係咁難 control ....

you should be expert on this area

定風波

我第一個commercial software 就系 accounting software, 用Boreland db4.
可能我比較熟account,唔覺難，
depreciation 系拆開一個module做，再掟番落個tb先出PNL 同BAL SHEET

定風波

以前只系做Bs同pnl,而家就多好多野，要有fundflow,最好有埋tax comp 添

ykkenmendd

定風波 發表於 2011-9-8 23:27
以前只系做Bs同pnl,而家就多好多野，要有fundflow,最好有埋tax comp 添

我難在唔曉會計，我知flex account都做到，可能係市面最好既product

定風波

而家現成會計軟件系好多，
但係有的老細要两盤數要
又要過到audit同萬一稅局查數就要custom made

定風波

回#11，才女即系才女，
美儀姐連IT都識

ykkenmendd

定風波 發表於 2011-9-8 22:49
我第一個commercial software 就系 accounting software, 用Boreland db4.
可能我比較熟account,唔覺難，
d ...

我唔系好明你意思怎样把折舊拆开个模组，module在microsoft component是模组的意思，我是做多個table给使用者输人折舊率，我習惯用crystal report或export csv

mpublic

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支持...
我也是programmer...

ykkenmendd

mpublic 發表於 2011-9-10 19:53
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支持...

師兄不妨分享下

定風波

ykkenmendd 發表於 2011-9-9 00:00
我唔系好明你意思怎样把折舊拆开个模组，module在microsoft component是模组的意思，我是做多個table给使 ...

我講module唔系ms既module意思，
account software因賣價問題，會分
module賣既意思。例如AR 會分開一個
module賣。

分開一個table, 必須的，fa 唔單 acc_name, sub_acc_name 咁簡單，
type, year_bot, ori_value, agg_dep,都要紀錄，
如果唔系計得一年parse唔到去下一年，加埋中途轉讓\報廢，
唔使做tax comp都玩死你。

拆開module老細都高興，可以略多筆，不過出錢嗰個就。。。

ykkenmendd

定風波 發表於 2011-9-11 12:38
我講module唔系ms既module意思，
account software因賣價問題，會分
module賣既意思。例如AR 會分開一個

哦 原來software分開賣
但是客人會咁笨咩