中国 vs 菲律宾

ironman75

国际新闻上有提到了。

国内的好像没看到。。。。


觉得这将会是国际上接下来几个星期或月的大新闻呢。

海洋国际法。





香港是法治之区。
比大陆有效。这点大家赞成吧？

我在想中国在国际也是一个国家。国家有法，治人。国际也该有法制国与国之间。

中国如果可以以富强国和势力的身份而推出或选择性的认同。　如果大家能接受这点。那就也可接受富人或政府高官欺压人民或贪污了。　富强和势力啊。　　　我可不愿意接受。

Topvision

都完全唔同級數 vs !?

playerboy

I believe you are taking about the International Court, but so far China refuse to this.

winner20099

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看來師兄好相信國際法庭

playerboy

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if not, how you expect to solve it.  War?  Please don't claim that the International Court is control by US as if you bother to check, there are many cases that US have lose in International Court.

ironman75

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那富人杀了穷人。
不同级数的就不用ｖｓ？

ironman75

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香港是法治之区。
比大陆有效。这点大家赞成吧？

我在想中国在国际也是一个国家。国家有法，治人。国际也该有法制国与国之间。

中国如果可以以富强国和势力的身份而推出或选择性的认同。　如果大家能接受这点。那就也可接受富人或政府高官欺压人民或贪污了。　富强和势力啊。

playerboy

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Please check up how many cases US had lost in International Court before claiming that US had big influence, if US had such influence, they won't lost such case in International Court.  The belief in use of force for most people in China is why the majority of china neighbor (I say majority as this included national that have no dispute with china at the moment but not that friendly with US), also declared that a strong US forces present is needed.  They simply have no choice as they view China as the greater (not that they view US as good, but only as lesser evil).

playerboy

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I am talking about the modern world whereas most conflict go through International Court.  So are we suppose to go back to the old way of doing thing, if that is the case, then we might as well go back to the ancient way of government and install an emperor.  If you read my statement on Great Evil and Lesser Evil, I think you can have my view point on US.  US present in Asia Pacific is for their own interest, however most nations support the action as they view US as Lesser Evil.

Put this in layman term, within the neighborhood, there are a strong man, and he clearly state that when he have dispute with any neighbor, he is not willing to go to court to settle and will fight/hurt his neighbor to have thing done his way, and he have done it couple of times.  So if you are his neighbor, even currently you are not having any dispute with him at the moment, will you hire a stronger man to protect your house, even it might cost you money.  That is the choice many in Asia Pacific is choosing, thus I hold my view that by doing this, China is doing more harm than good to itself.

Cadet

富國但是不富民

Topvision

ironman75 發表於 2013-7-16 23:21
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那富人杀了穷人。

中國, 以經濟.... 強又強過佢.  以軍力, 又係強過佢.  數人頭好唔好, 一齊吐一口口水, 都可以豪雨成災啦.... 點vs呀 !?

"那富人杀了穷人", 中國表示要殺她嗎 !? 這個例子, 不太好吧.  再說, 中國人有句說話是, 貧不與富敵、富不與官爭, 原因何在呢 !?

ironman75

Topvision 發表於 2013-7-17 16:11
中國, 以經濟.... 強又強過佢.  以軍力, 又係強過佢.  數人頭好唔好, 一齊吐一口口水, 都可以豪雨成災啦. ...

vs 在法庭。

如你知道我在写的是那个国际海洋法。


这句话＂貧不與富敵、富不與官爭＂。 这给予怕事的人吧。很古老了吧。   有少少民主的都不会再赞同吧？ 就算在大陆，很多民怨都爆发了吧？类似的反房产，地方政府。。。。也有了几件吧。  

sorry，你可以接受这句话。我接受不了。如我的利益被富人夺了，我会与他为敌。如我的产物被官抢了我会与官争。


国家有法，国际上也该有法。

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ironman75 發表於 2013-7-17 17:17
vs 在法庭。

如你知道我在写的是那个国际海洋法。

法庭 !?

哈~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 咪玩啦!!!!

winner20099

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先生高見,菲律賓一定有主要軍事支持,我國有顧累,只要看馬尼拉事件,亞基諾的囂張態度就知

Topvision

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又唔係一班仆街美國佬多諗樹

winner20099

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我國在与日本,菲律賓,越南有領海領土紛爭,是美國人從返亞太區破壞亞太和平有力的證明

playerboy

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I don't think that you can your facts right, US did not go to the International Court for Gulf of Mexico because there are no disputes as US did not claim the whole Gulf of Mexico, it is share among the countries.  See the map below, whereas China is claiming the whole South China Seas till the neighboring countries door step, again I had provide the claim of china below.

So I mention, there are many cases that US was sue by a much weaker nation and US lose the cases and was force to follow the Court Judgment.  So US did go through International Court.  By the way do you know that currently China do sign the agreement and have a judge sitting in the International Court.  So since you think that China should not go through this, which mean that China don't believe in International Court, why not the China judge resign and not sit on the position.

ironman75

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bro， just some clarification. not sure u will read or not, from your replied i guess u might not read properly and try to understand.

国际法给国与国。

tibet， xinjiang  是国家的法制。

香港法制之区。141hongkong 是香港站，或说大陆普通的都进不了这站（except 跳墙）

ironman75

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how does one claim the sea/land belong to any country?  historical fact? or civilisation law and reulations? babarian method?

in ancient history , no land and sea and mother nature belong to any human being. can u challenge the country or the land owner? what make the land owner own the land? from when u start accepting the fact that we must obliged to law and the social regulations? have a fight with the owner and concured the land? because you dont understand the full extend of land or sea law? and claim that i do not accept the law and social regulations? or engage a lawyer to challenge the fact? the lie? the rightful?


come on....... if china back out from this international court ( which i think china has sign something with the UN to comply on such sea law long time ago.)  and now dont feel like it because of politicailly related, so not wanting to recognized the common international law. What precedence will be set if china act like this? Stand up and take up the challenge to tell the whole world your fact and believe to win the case and sea.  Government dare not take up the challenge? Scare of philippine? a big country with so many talent and strong economic power?



i dont side China because i m chinses, i would love to sea China win big and proudly. Not like this, choose which ever law that favourite and ignore other which is not.

ironman75

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Disagree if the nation is small then it should be ignore.  This is china government way to general public.

In develop nation, there is regardless of big or small, in front of the law, everyone equal.
This is the kind of society we live in govern by proper law and regulation. Thats why i disagreed ur comment on don't deal with smaller nation. China is also a citizen of the international committee.


I don't want war.  Live will be affected, and once started in this region/sea. So call fisherman farming ground or oil exploration will always be target , assuming china win the war.

Based on current political for each country, do u think anyone will back down?  If there is no such international body exist, u think either government will give up on such sea?      

Imagine war eventually breakout as so many China Chinese always shout to go to war to war on every border conflicts, so desperate to show power to the world. During the war for the sea, shipping lane? Trade ? What's the impact will be for hong kong?
After war, china most probably will win. U think after that, Philippines gonna accept the defeat?  What is the impact would have done to china vs Philippine ? I think hk would b the most affected areas, and all trade related gz areas.......


Let see, what's gonna happen. Will china stand up in front of the world to beat down Philippines? Or conflicts that is ready to happen?