紐約時報指溫家寶親屬擁巨額財富

bbarying · 發表於 2012-11-1 04:02:59

本帖最後由 bbarying 於 2012-11-1 04:03 編輯

寶臨發表於 2012-10-31 23:40
問題係溫家寶有冇以權謀私，其他人如果有咁做，溫家寶就應份咁做咩？有好多人去非禮女人，非禮女人就唔係 ...

《紐約時報》指沒證據顯示溫家寶利用他的影響力，協助他親屬的生意，
亦無證據指溫家寶了解親屬的生意狀況，但溫家寶的家人不時得到一些國企以及富豪的財政支持。

唔駛用非禮女人犯唔犯法做例子咁不倫不類；

簡單又直接例子：
你細佬、你老豆、你老母、你老婆、或你亞叔用你個名去招搖撞騙，
咁你就係唔係犯法？

又例如有人因為你而去吧結你細佬、你老豆、你老母、你老婆、或你亞叔，給盡他們好處與方便，
咁你就係唔係犯法？

溫家寶有冇以權謀私，紐約時報都唔知，
你就話佢應份咁做咩？佢做咗D乜嘢呀？

joekungfu · 發表於 2012-11-1 07:28:56

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伊凡 · 發表於 2012-11-1 21:46:33

奸爸爹發表於 2012-10-30 19:32
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寶臨 · 發表於 2012-11-1 23:43:31

bbarying 發表於 2012-11-1 04:02
唔駛用非禮女人犯唔犯法做例子咁不倫不類；

簡單又直接例子：

咁點解溫家寶唔出來澄清一下，佢同佢ge家人ge龐大資產有冇關係，向人民解釋佢哋ge疑問，而在新浪微博以及搜尋網站百度，輸入「溫家寶」和「《紐約時報》」進行搜索，除溫家寶昔日的報道外，有關家族坐擁巨額資產的消息，則無法顯示，咁即係唔想人民知道呢件事，如果係光明正大ge，係《紐約時報》作假ge，點解共產黨要封鎖消息？
你又點解要話「紐約時報好端端的，就去找你國內的四大政治豪門親屬擁有多少財富給我們看看好。」你咁講，即係話當政者親屬擁有多少財富，同當政者有關係。
我以非禮同以權謀私作比喻，因為兩樣嘢都係犯法，唔係有好多人都係咁做就應份ge。

補充內容 (2012-11-2 00:12):
我都冇肯定溫家寶以權謀私，我只係話「問題係溫家寶有冇以權謀私」，佢應該親自出來澄清，佢同佢ge家人ge龐大資產有冇關係。但係你就皇帝唔急太監急。

補充內容 (2012-11-2 00:21):
溫家寶唔出唻解釋，人民更加懷疑佢係身有屎。

bbarying · 發表於 2012-11-2 01:49:57

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既然兩樣嘢都係犯法，就唔應該叫做應份唔應份。
因為犯法就係犯法，不論有幾多人咁做，都係犯法，何來應份唔應份？

至於叫溫家寶出來澄清，澄清什麽？
紐約時報指沒證據顯示溫家寶利用他的影響力，協助他親屬的生意，
亦無證據指溫家寶了解親屬的生意狀況。

而紐約時報又話 "溫家寶的家人不時得到一些國企以及富豪的財政支持"；
問題就係呢句具有"引導性"！！
這是由於溫家寶真夠出名？還是那些國企以及富豪純因為商業決定而財政支持温的家人？
紐約時報又冇具體描述？
"引導性"的報導又沒有證據？

大家所推崇普通法：要去證明一個人有罪，請你拿出證據。
就這遍報導，紐約時報有說過懷疑佢以權謀私嗎？沒有，因為他們沒有證據。
但就因為這遍報導，就"引導"到很多很多皇帝唔急太監急的人去懷疑甚至肯定溫家寶以權謀私。我講得啱唔啱？

要出來澄清的，並不是溫家寶，而是紐約時報；
我並不否認它們報導的"真確性"，
但這報導的"引導性"比它的"真確性"更具殺傷力，
所以紐約時報要出來澄清，要更詳細的解釋它們從什麽角度、渠道與心態，
去報導這編有關溫家寶親屬家人擁有龐大資產，卻沒有證據去證明同溫家寶有關。

別去"引導"別人認為他有罪；想指控一個人有罪，請控方拿出證據。

寶臨 · 發表於 2012-11-2 23:29:24

bbarying 發表於 2012-11-2 01:49
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既然兩樣嘢都係犯法，就唔應該叫做應份唔應份。

bbarying：犯法何來應份唔應份？
咁點解你叫紐約時報去搵吓美國政治豪門親屬擁有多少財富，搵到又點？搵到就溫家寶親屬擁有咁多資產就冇問題？
而家溫家寶親屬都否認紐約時報ge指控，但又冇駁斥人哋d理據，共產黨又封鎖消息，係真係假，人民充滿疑惑，做總理ge，而呢件事又同自己有密切關係ge溫家寶，唔係應該出唻向人民澄清解釋吓咩？你唔係話真理越辯越明咩？佢唔係應該出唻同呢件事劃清界線咩？真係要畀人拉上法庭先辯解呀？

adamscheung · 發表於 2012-11-2 23:52:38

寶臨發表於 2012-11-2 23:29
bbarying：犯法何來應份唔應份？
咁點解你叫紐約時報去搵吓美國政治豪門親屬擁有多少財富，搵到又點？搵 ...

貪官污吏,必遭天譴...

寶臨 · 發表於 2012-11-3 00:06:48

bbarying 發表於 2012-11-2 01:49
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既然兩樣嘢都係犯法，就唔應該叫做應份唔應份。

bbarying：紐約時報有說過懷疑佢以權謀私嗎？
紐約時報有冇講，睇吓以下佢哋ge「溫家寶家族數以十億美元計的隱藏財富」http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/business/global/family-of-wen-jiabao-holds-a-hidden-fortune-in-china.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0報導摘錄就知：
The prime minister’s younger brother, for example, has a company that was awarded more than $30 million in government contracts and subsidies to handle wastewater treatment and medical waste disposal for some of China’s biggest cities, according to estimates based on government records. The contracts were announced after Mr. Wen ordered tougher regulations on medical waste disposal in 2003 after the SARS outbreak.
In 2004, after the State Council, a government body Mr. Wen presides over, exempted Ping An Insurance and other companies from rules that limited their scope, Ping An went on to raise $1.8 billion in an initial public offering of stock. Partnerships controlled by Mr. Wen’s relatives — along with their friends and colleagues — made a fortune by investing in the company before the public offering.
In 2007, the last year the stock holdings were disclosed in public documents, those partnerships held as much as $2.2 billion worth of Ping An stock, according to an accounting of the investments by The Times that was verified by outside auditors. Ping An’s overall market value is now nearly $60 billion.

angelclaire · 發表於 2012-11-3 00:33:29

本帖最後由 angelclaire 於 2012-11-3 05:29 編輯

寶臨發表於 2012-11-2 23:29
bbarying：犯法何來應份唔應份？
咁點解你叫紐約時報去搵吓美國政治豪門親屬擁有多少財富，搵到又點？搵 ...

why does he have to come out to defend himself? what if the report is true, what can anybody do? what can the citizens in China do?
soon, the whole thing will die down, and government officials in China, and their descendents will continue to do likewise! as long as one party rules the government, no checks and balances are made to the government, nothing will change!

angelclaire · 發表於 2012-11-3 00:37:40

bbarying 發表於 2012-11-2 01:49
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既然兩樣嘢都係犯法，就唔應該叫做應份唔應份。

strange that you say "要出來澄清的，並不是溫家寶，而是紐約時報"! why 紐約時報要出來澄清? 紐約時報 made a report, quoted its sources, and that is the end of the report! have never seen any news media need to come out to 澄清 any reports, unless the reports are false! even if reports are false, it is up to others to pinpoint what are false!
this is just a financial report, and that is it! true or not, it is up to individuals to believe or find out! you either believe, or not!

angelclaire · 發表於 2012-11-3 00:40:16

寶臨發表於 2012-11-1 23:43
咁點解溫家寶唔出來澄清一下，佢同佢ge家人ge龐大資產有冇關係，向人民解釋佢哋ge疑問，而在新浪微博以及 ...

just wonder, over the years, any senior Chinese government officials have ever come out to defend anything, or declare anything?
The Chinese government has been very secretive, never admitting or denying anything, especially events related to the very high officials, unless for political reasons, such as 薄熙來!
soon, the whole thing will die out, and nobody will say anything!